Jamaicaman90

JD Cymru League Tier 2 League Cup (2000200698) Cymru Premier Development League (74049108); Cymru Development League North (74048938); Cymru Development League South (74048939) FAW Welsh Youth Cup (74014225)

Looks like I'm due a wipe and fresh download then!

Just coming back to this one as it looks like it still hasn't updated - logo in the pack is still showing the old club name (they look the same otherwise). Also, Aston Villa (603) seems to be showing different logos at different sizes. The main one is the current logo, but the smaller ones all seem to be using a retro one.

@Derek - I'll do a big post in the forums at some point documenting the save, but as some payoff for seeing your work turn into something tangible, here are some screenshots of your work in my game.

Stunning badges @Derek, thank you as always! @slikkapee - let me know if you're happy with your badge and then let me know if you would prefer the default style, SS style or FC'12 style 2d graphics and I'll share the kits to go with your new crest!

I'm glad you like them! Once your badge is finalised, we'll get the final graphic pack sorted. Do you know how to amend .xml files for graphics packs, and do you know how to use the editor (pre-game or in-game) to make sure the game knows what kits you're assigning?

Provisional kits. Pending a new badge of course so I'll fix placements once that's finalised. Thoughts? Any big changes you'd want made? The home kit I've kept clean and simple, while I've made kits based on the flags of Hungary and Romania respectively for away and third to represent the historic relationship. I've chosen Nike as they seem to be the most popular kit manufacturer in the Romanian top flight. The away shorts and socks would also be used as alternatives along with the home shirt where a different configuration became necessary. Happy to make radical changes as desired!

No problem! Could you let me know two other sponsors you would like? I will do the sleeves and back in line with other Romanian clubs, unless you don't want them.

As a 'pay it forward' for me having my badges done, once your badge is finalised let me know if you'd like some kits made up. I use the FM Kit Creator but I can use your custom badge, any sponsors you like, and can knock up three full kits in both 2d and 3d to fit with your ideas (but would need a general brief rather than a hyper-focused one as I'm better at putting together existing resources rather than creating graphics from scratch). The Welshman in me is captivated by the dragon-like imagery.

Appreciate it! I've got a lot of use out of your CPD Abertawe designs. I'll post in the forums in the next season or two once my save hits the 20 season mark to see what has come of it all! For Ely Rangers, I would say that the colours should be near the colours I've used, but I've no problem with some artistic licence to get a design the creator is happy with. I'm using custom kits too and I can adapt the kits quite easily, so if an extra tertiary colour gets thrown in or the shades of blue/black are changed that's fine. Here's the home kit as it stands below if it's any inspiration: With Swansea Royals, I think it would be appropriate for them to be colour matched to a Union Jack. The shades I've used are taken from the similar Rangers crest, although as you've 'flagged' the issue up, it may be better to use the Union flag spec colours found here: https://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/uk-flags/union-flag-specification/ As for shapes, I think either two shields, or one shield and one circle. I don't mind specifically which one uses a circle if you choose one, but just for variety's sake I don't want a league full of circles! Appreciate the interest as always.

I was wondering if anyone fancied doing a better job of creating two custom logos than the ones I've managed? One is for a real (very small) side, and the other for an entirely fictional one. Both sides are being 'influenced' (editor shenanigans) to become my main league rivals in the Welsh league to my CPD Abertawe side. The first one is for a real team, Ely Rangers (351022). They are based in Cardiff, play in an Inter Milan style home kit, and are known as the Griffins. My effort is below but I'm not happy with it, and would love if someone could come up with something more professional. The other is a fictional side, called Swansea Royals. I have not designed them to be a particularly likeable side. They are overly interested in the sectarian issues around the Old Firm, strongly identifying with Ulster protestantism, Britishness and the Monarchy. Their kit is similar to that of Rangers, and the badge certainly reflects that inspiration too, but without being a complete 'copy'. I've tried to introduce a hint of Welsh celtic flair, but not so much as to overrule the main identity. The badge I've come up with is below but again I'd welcome a better effort than mine!

Could I double check if this one has been updated? It looks like it's not in newer packs - if it missed a deadline and will be in a later set then no worries!

351064 Pontypridd United (Club renamed)

Penlan 74010116 (Update)

St Harmon 2000152861

Neath (350030): I haven't tried to cut this one out, as I'm not sure if it's a clean enough logo that you might prefer to make it from scratch rather than use a photo of the kit embroidery!

Ah, your reply came in while I already had the page open and was preparing my above post. The images will definitely be of use - the text below will probably have some be of use and some be things already in the list of changes.

I've gone through the Sortitoutsi FMG Source Logos page for Spain and picked out all of the clubs with missing logos. First, see a collection of images to fill in a number of them (with details in the filenames). Below the images, please see a list of admin fixes to fill in the remainder where you already have the images prepared. If I've gone through it correctly, this should allow you to mark the Spanish folder as completed. C.D. Huracán de Melilla 2000112848 is in the FMG Standard Logos pack but not shown in the FMG Source Logos list: https://sortitoutsi.net/graphics/browse/29/1356155/timeline S.D. Águilas At. 2000112793 is in the FMG Standard Logos pack but not shown in the FMG Source Logos list: https://sortitoutsi.net/graphics/browse/29/1357534/timeline Sporting At. Ceuta 2000112791 is in the FMG Standard Logos pack but not shown in the FMG Source Logos list: https://sortitoutsi.net/graphics/browse/29/1354801/timeline C.F. Fuenlabrada C 2000107326 can have the logo of the main team (109017) copied into its place. The B team image (2000015286) should also be replaced with an exact copy of the main team one, as there is a discrepancy with the logos displayed in player search. C.D. Móstoles U.R.J.C. B 2000112885 can have the logo of the main team (67196154) copied into its place. La Nucía B 2000112871 can have the logo of the main team (67041048) copied into its place. At. Gran Canaria 2000113043 is in the FMG Standard Logos pack but not shown in the FMG Source Logos list: https://sortitoutsi.net/graphics/browse/29/1357334/timeline Atlético Jaén F.C. 2000099881 is in the FMG Standard Logos pack but not shown in the FMG Source Logos list: https://sortitoutsi.net/graphics/browse/29/1357333/timeline

Just a heads up - the source image depository on Sortitoutsi still has the badly cropped Unionistas image: https://sortitoutsi.net/graphics/browse/29/54118/submissions The FMG Standard logo pack at least features the amendment that had the correct white included.

A few extra Welsh clubs attached, details in filenames. After this, all the remaining missing Welsh clubs (as listed on Sortitoutsi) are long extinct - I'm going to pass on that information to the SI researchers to try to get them marked as extinct so that they disappear from the club list.

No worries, I wrote my first post at 2am after messing around with saves/editor files for an hour so it was a bit of a ramble. Hope you're feeling better soon!

@Derek hi mate, the additional info I've added is that the ID numbers for youth and reserve teams is dynamic - it doesn't come from the database, but is generated at the start of the save. This means that some people will see the same IDs if they have similar setups, but others will have difference especially if they have teams added to the database via editor data packs. You don't need to overwrite the existing logos with new ones, as this approach won't work due to the above way the game works and will just add to the problem in the long term. The way to solve the issue is to remove the entries entirely from the config file, so that even if people still have the logos from an old download the new config file you send out that overwrites the old one ignores those logos with the ID numbers of teams not in the database. I hope this makes sense - happy to discuss further if I haven't explained clearly either with more text or some sort of voice call at a point!

Point 2 Is the right answer and the fault Is mine. I'm playing with an extended polish database and i hasn't checked if ID that i provided for polish logos did match with vanilla database, not thinking new ID could was fake. I check the correspondence with each ID, in this case I did not and I trusted making a mistake Easily done! I know it's exactly the kind of thing I'd do.

It looks like the problem with youth teams showing different logos is still here, and it doesn't look like an easy fix. Take Swansea City. Their senior team is ID: 724 and shows the correct logo: The u23 squad has a separate ID: 2000146179. They show a logo for a 5th tier Polish side called LKS Barycz Sułów, a team which doesn't exist in the database. I checked the logopack and indeed the entry exists: Similarly with the u18 squad with ID: 2000146181 having an image for a club called WKS Wierzbice, again a Polish club not in the game's database: I think one of a number of things may have happened here: Your image bank has been built over a long period of time, and in the years since it was started some of the clubs from older games were entirely deleted from the official database, and the numbers have been reassigned in England in line with changes in the English youth system (when the reserve league ended and the u23 league began). I think this is unlikely, as I don't believe SI ever reassign ID numbers. The database has a system for making clubs defunct, as can be seen in some player histories for former teams that have recently dissolved. One of your contributors has been playing with a save at some point with an extended database for Polish lower leagues that added in new clubs, and has not realised that the ID numbers they provided did not match the vanilla database. Option 2 is almost certainly the case, because the IDs are assigned to youth teams not as part of the database, but at the start of each save and is impacted by which IDs are available at that point. Here is the Swansea City u23 squad in a different save with different leagues loaded and a database that includes Scottish lower league expansion (that would not have impacted Swansea): As you can see, the ID number of 2000147423 is different. The main Swansea City squad however has exactly the same number as before. Sorry for the long post, but the reason for this happening was bugging me and I wanted to understand it for myself, and wanted to share my findings with you. There is unfortunately no easy fix for what you've built so far. My only advice would be to create a thread where people can tell you the ID of youth teams in their saves with incorrect logos (as the team name alone will be insufficient), for you to manually remove that ID from the logo config file and then move the graphic to a personal archive in case of future need to reduce the download filesize, or otherwise an archive folder in the download. The config file would be the most important thing as even if people don't delete all of the graphics for a fresh download, each update pack will overwrite the config file to 'hide' those incorrect images. Going forward, your solution would have to be manually checking the database to make sure the ID number given to you by contributors is valid for the vanilla database and not the result of an editor data expansion. As you have a working relation with sortitoutsi, I'd recommend their database checker as a quicker alternative to the official pre-game editor: https://sortitoutsi.net/search/database I hope this monster post is of help!