Logo Update Thread

[AndreaSSL1900]

Missing logo Rio Utd - ID 81010718

[Markitos]

All missing from South America

[NassFas]

Better Quality

 

[Jamaicaman90]

 

A mix of new badges and updates/tidy-ups. Names and IDs saved in filenames.

[Derek]

Thanks guys. @Markitos good to have you back mate.

[Jamaicaman90]

It looks like the problem with youth teams showing different logos is still here, and it doesn't look like an easy fix.

Take Swansea City.

Their senior team is ID: 724 and shows the correct logo:

The u23 squad has a separate ID: 2000146179. They show a logo for a 5th tier Polish side called LKS Barycz Sułów, a team which doesn't exist in the database. I checked the logopack and indeed the entry exists: 

Similarly with the u18 squad with ID: 2000146181 having an image for a club called WKS Wierzbice, again a Polish club not in the game's database:

 
I think one of a number of things may have happened here:

1. Your image bank has been built over a long period of time, and in the years since it was started some of the clubs from older games were entirely deleted from the official database, and the numbers have been reassigned in England in line with changes in the English youth system (when the reserve league ended and the u23 league began). I think this is unlikely, as I don't believe SI ever reassign ID numbers. The database has a system for making clubs defunct, as can be seen in some player histories for former teams that have recently dissolved.
2. One of your contributors has been playing with a save at some point with an extended database for Polish lower leagues that added in new clubs, and has not realised that the ID numbers they provided did not match the vanilla database.

Option 2 is almost certainly the case, because the IDs are assigned to youth teams not as part of the database, but at the start of each save and is impacted by which IDs are available at that point. Here is the Swansea City u23 squad in a different save with different leagues loaded and a database that includes Scottish lower league expansion (that would not have impacted Swansea):

As you can see, the ID number of 2000147423 is different. The main Swansea City squad however has exactly the same number as before.

Sorry for the long post, but the reason for this happening was bugging me and I wanted to understand it for myself, and wanted to share my findings with you. There is unfortunately no easy fix for what you've built so far. My only advice would be to create a thread where people can tell you the ID of youth teams in their saves with incorrect logos (as the team name alone will be insufficient), for you to manually remove that ID from the logo config file and then move the graphic to a personal archive in case of future need to reduce the download filesize, or otherwise an archive folder in the download. The config file would be the most important thing as even if people don't delete all of the graphics for a fresh download, each update pack will overwrite the config file to 'hide' those incorrect images.

Going forward, your solution would have to be manually checking the database to make sure the ID number given to you by contributors is valid for the vanilla database and not the result of an editor data expansion. As you have a working relation with sortitoutsi, I'd recommend their database checker as a quicker alternative to the official pre-game editor: https://sortitoutsi.net/search/database

I hope this monster post is of help!

[AndreaSSL1900]

Posted by: @Jamaicaman90

It looks like the problem with youth teams showing different logos is still here, and it doesn't look like an easy fix.

Take Swansea City.

Their senior team is ID: 724 and shows the correct logo:

The u23 squad has a separate ID: 2000146179. They show a logo for a 5th tier Polish side called LKS Barycz Sułów, a team which doesn't exist in the database. I checked the logopack and indeed the entry exists: 

Similarly with the u18 squad with ID: 2000146181 having an image for a club called WKS Wierzbice, again a Polish club not in the game's database:

 

I think one of a number of things may have happened here:

1. Your image bank has been built over a long period of time, and in the years since it was started some of the clubs from older games were entirely deleted from the official database, and the numbers have been reassigned in England in line with changes in the English youth system (when the reserve league ended and the u23 league began). I think this is unlikely, as I don't believe SI ever reassign ID numbers. The database has a system for making clubs defunct, as can be seen in some player histories for former teams that have recently dissolved.
2. One of your contributors has been playing with a save at some point with an extended database for Polish lower leagues that added in new clubs, and has not realised that the ID numbers they provided did not match the vanilla database.

Option 2 is almost certainly the case, because the IDs are assigned to youth teams not as part of the database, but at the start of each save and is impacted by which IDs are available at that point. Here is the Swansea City u23 squad in a different save with different leagues loaded and a database that includes Scottish lower league expansion (that would not have impacted Swansea):

As you can see, the ID number of 2000147423 is different. The main Swansea City squad however has exactly the same number as before.

Sorry for the long post, but the reason for this happening was bugging me and I wanted to understand it for myself, and wanted to share my findings with you. There is unfortunately no easy fix for what you've built so far. My only advice would be to create a thread where people can tell you the ID of youth teams in their saves with incorrect logos (as the team name alone will be insufficient), for you to manually remove that ID from the logo config file and then move the graphic to a personal archive in case of future need to reduce the download filesize, or otherwise an archive folder in the download. The config file would be the most important thing as even if people don't delete all of the graphics for a fresh download, each update pack will overwrite the config file to 'hide' those incorrect images.

Going forward, your solution would have to be manually checking the database to make sure the ID number given to you by contributors is valid for the vanilla database and not the result of an editor data expansion. As you have a working relation with sortitoutsi, I'd recommend their database checker as a quicker alternative to the official pre-game editor: https://sortitoutsi.net/search/database

I hope this monster post is of help!

Point 2 Is the right answer and the fault Is mine. I'm playing with an extended polish database and i hasn't checked if ID that i provided for polish logos did match with vanilla database, not thinking new ID could was fake.

I check the correspondence with each ID, in this case I did not and I trusted making a mistake. 

Tomorrow I check the DB from top to bottom and report all the IDs to be deleted

[Jamaicaman90]

Posted by: @AndreaSSL1900

Posted by: @Jamaicaman90

It looks like the problem with youth teams showing different logos is still here, and it doesn't look like an easy fix.

Take Swansea City.

Their senior team is ID: 724 and shows the correct logo:

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The u23 squad has a separate ID: 2000146179. They show a logo for a 5th tier Polish side called LKS Barycz Sułów, a team which doesn't exist in the database. I checked the logopack and indeed the entry exists: 

[attach]2829,2829[/attach][attach]2830,2830[/attach]

Similarly with the u18 squad with ID: 2000146181 having an image for a club called WKS Wierzbice, again a Polish club not in the game's database:

[attach]2831,2831[/attach][attach]2832,2832[/attach]

 

I think one of a number of things may have happened here:

1. Your image bank has been built over a long period of time, and in the years since it was started some of the clubs from older games were entirely deleted from the official database, and the numbers have been reassigned in England in line with changes in the English youth system (when the reserve league ended and the u23 league began). I think this is unlikely, as I don't believe SI ever reassign ID numbers. The database has a system for making clubs defunct, as can be seen in some player histories for former teams that have recently dissolved.
2. One of your contributors has been playing with a save at some point with an extended database for Polish lower leagues that added in new clubs, and has not realised that the ID numbers they provided did not match the vanilla database.

Option 2 is almost certainly the case, because the IDs are assigned to youth teams not as part of the database, but at the start of each save and is impacted by which IDs are available at that point. Here is the Swansea City u23 squad in a different save with different leagues loaded and a database that includes Scottish lower league expansion (that would not have impacted Swansea):

[attach]2833,2833[/attach]

As you can see, the ID number of 2000147423 is different. The main Swansea City squad however has exactly the same number as before.

Sorry for the long post, but the reason for this happening was bugging me and I wanted to understand it for myself, and wanted to share my findings with you. There is unfortunately no easy fix for what you've built so far. My only advice would be to create a thread where people can tell you the ID of youth teams in their saves with incorrect logos (as the team name alone will be insufficient), for you to manually remove that ID from the logo config file and then move the graphic to a personal archive in case of future need to reduce the download filesize, or otherwise an archive folder in the download. The config file would be the most important thing as even if people don't delete all of the graphics for a fresh download, each update pack will overwrite the config file to 'hide' those incorrect images.

Going forward, your solution would have to be manually checking the database to make sure the ID number given to you by contributors is valid for the vanilla database and not the result of an editor data expansion. As you have a working relation with sortitoutsi, I'd recommend their database checker as a quicker alternative to the official pre-game editor: https://sortitoutsi.net/search/database

I hope this monster post is of help!

Point 2 Is the right answer and the fault Is mine. I'm playing with an extended polish database and i hasn't checked if ID that i provided for polish logos did match with vanilla database, not thinking new ID could was fake.

I check the correspondence with each ID, in this case I did not and I trusted making a mistake

Easily done! I know it's exactly the kind of thing I'd do.

[AndreaSSL1900]

Later today I create a text file with all the IDs to be deleted. The file goes up to the fifth division, it's obvious that not all the teams that are there up to that point have an invented ID, so they must be checked one by one

[Markitos]

Correct logo ID 120939. Actual logo in pack will go to ALT folder

Correct logo 79030602

[Markitos]

I check the ID 2000146181 and its for "Centenario de La Unión" a stadium in Chile. Give me the ID's and I'll in oficial DB (not game).

[Derek]

Guys most of this is essentially what I posted up the other day. As I mentioned then I've checked a lot clubs from various different nations and replaced what I found with most errors being found in English and French clubs.

@Jamaicaman90 Have you downloaded the latest update? Also which FM version are you using as you're ID numbers seem to be different to mine? There are three Swansea City logos in the main logo folder in the update pack which resolved the issue for me.

Main Logo: 724

U-23's: 2000146065

U-18's: 2000146066

Andrea if you provide the list of I.D. numbers we wll run them through the database to find the clubs and apply the fix in the next update. At this point I would imagine the vast majority have been resolved.

As I mentioned last week deleting them is not the fix to make as we will need to replace them for members who have already downloaded them.

However, as the ID numbers for reserve and youth teams generally change from one FM version to another I will have to delete them then when releasing the new megapacks for FM23 in Sept/Nov.

[Jamaicaman90]

Posted by: @Derek

Guys most of this is essentially what I posted up the other day. As I mentioned then I've checked a lot clubs from various different nations and replaced what I found with most errors being found in English and French clubs.

@Jamaicaman90 Have you downloaded the latest update? Also which FM version are you using as you're ID numbers seem to be different to mine? There are three Swansea City logos in the main logo folder in the update pack which resolved the issue for me.

Main Logo: 724

U-23's: 2000146065

U-18's: 2000146066

Andrea if you provide the list of I.D. numbers I'll run them through the database to find the clubs and apply the fix in the next update. At this point I would imagine the vast majority have been resolved.

As I mentioned last week deleting them is not the fix to make as we will need to replace them for members who have already downloaded them.

However, as the ID numbers for reserve and youth teams generally change from one FM version to another I will have to delete them then when releasing the new megapacks for FM23 in Sept/Nov.

@Derek hi mate, the additional info I've added is that the ID numbers for youth and reserve teams is dynamic - it doesn't come from the database, but is generated at the start of the save. This means that some people will see the same IDs if they have similar setups, but others will have difference especially if they have teams added to the database via editor data packs.

 

You don't need to overwrite the existing logos with new ones, as this approach won't work due to the above way the game works and will just add to the problem in the long term. The way to solve the issue is to remove the entries entirely from the config file, so that even if people still have the logos from an old download the new config file you send out that overwrites the old one ignores those logos with the ID numbers of teams not in the database.

 

I hope this makes sense - happy to discuss further if I haven't explained clearly either with more text or some sort of voice call at a point!

[AndreaSSL1900]

Posted by: @Derek

 

Andrea if you provide the list of I.D. numbers we wll run them through the database to find the clubs and apply the fix in the next update. At this point I would imagine the vast majority have been resolved.

 

yea i'll do it later. I must check all the IV Liga clubs ID (fifth division) cause the issue is here. Untill 3 Liga clubs all the IDs are correct i think

[Derek]

@Jamaicaman90 Ah ok perfect now I get it. Sorry I have Covid at the moment and my head is a little fuzzy  

Once I have the list from Andrea I'll sort it out then. Thanks guys

[Jamaicaman90]

Posted by: @Derek

@Jamaicaman90 Ah ok perfect now I get it. Sorry I have Covid at the moment and my head is a little fuzzy  

Once I have the list from Andrea I'll sort it out then. Thanks guys

No worries, I wrote my first post at 2am after messing around with saves/editor files for an hour so it was a bit of a ramble. Hope you're feeling better soon!

[Derek]

Thanks mate all is good, just feels like a case of man flu  

[AndreaSSL1900]

Posted by: @Derek

Thanks mate all is good, just feels like a case of man flu  

I hope you feel better soon boss

Tell me you're texting from your phone without tell me you're texting from your phone

[Derek]

    Thanks Andrea

[AndreaSSL1900]

These are all the IV Liga teams with veryfied IDs

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2022/competition/96056824/polish-fourth-division


Now i check all the teams with fake IDs

[NassFas]

Club Wafa Wydad - Correct (In 2019, Farth Riadi Nador designed their crest to distinguish themselves from FC Barcelona) - 12005105

[AndreaSSL1900]

@Derek here all the polish fake IDs that must be deleted

polish IDs must be deleted.txt

[Derek]

Thanks Andrea

[NassFas]

Chabab Atlas Khénifra – Better Quality – 12065961

[NassFas]

Renaissance Sportive de Kénitra - Correct or Alternative - 13148209